Julie and Myra go to Amsterdam (18+)

阿姆斯特丹就象一个男人,率性,粗糙,明晃晃的欲望挂在脸上,然而他的堕落和疯狂却出乎意料的让人身心舒畅。我喜欢阿姆斯特丹,因为这里的一切都毫不掩饰,一座以大麻和性工作者闻名于世的城市,他的坦白到底能让装B者无处可藏,让拥护者兴奋至死。这里有全欧洲最著名的红灯区,有合法出售的各类大麻制品,有花样繁多你连想都想不到的各种展览和演出。这里没有工作,数据,模型,这里没有一群整天跟在你屁股后面叨叨叨这个不可以,内个不道德的傻B。NO! 阿姆斯特丹不欢迎伪道德份子,阿姆斯特丹只喜欢跟他一样活生生热腾腾来寻找欢乐和梦幻的人。

因为误了清晨的飞机,我到达的时候已是黄昏。看了一路精算Notes,我神情委顿的走下飞机。从安检到火车站,短短20分钟的路,有七八个男人走过来对我说,你真漂亮,祝你玩的开心。是吗? 我有点晕晕的想。在伦敦,没日没夜的工作,有多久我没感觉到自己是个女人了? 漂亮? 金融城不在乎你是漂亮,还是难看,金融城甚至不在乎你是男人,女人,还是一条狗,只要你能输出价值,能把你的基本工资乘上N个零给公司赚回来,就足够了。我苦笑了一下,对这个陌生的城市忽然充满感激。谢谢你们,阿姆斯特丹的陌生人。

然后我就精神抖擞的把工作和伦敦抛在了脑后,自由的时光何其短暂? 我当然要尽情享受这座声色犬马电光幻影的城市。和我最好的女朋友Julie会师以后,当晚我们就直接去了久闻大名的红灯区。这个区域原本是阿姆斯特丹最古老的码头,水手们在海上漂泊数月,上岸后最渴望的就是女人和酒精,于是这个繁华的码头就逐渐演变成了艳帜高张的”水手公寓”,成为当年的水手们和今天的猎艳者们的天堂。

红灯区其实不大,几条河道纵横的长巷,岸边是依水而建的秀气的荷兰房屋,每当夜幕降临,每个屋子里都透出玫红色的灯光,每片灯光下都站着几个搔首弄姿的橱窗女郎,而每个女郎都在不知疲倦的抛洒着妩媚的眼风。是不是一幅非常美好的景象? 反正我跟Julie看的很开心。虽然我是良家妇女,但奇怪的是,从小到大我从没有看不起妓女。相反,我觉得她们跟任何一行的从业者一样,都应当被尊重。经济学怎么说来着,有需求,就会有供给。如果没有她们无私的付出,这个欲求不满的世界得乱成什么样子啊? 犯罪率得升高多少个百分点啊? 内些假惺惺的道德家,说什么”存天理,灭人欲”,靠,莫非朱熹老夫子其实不举? 我可能比较无知,但我一直觉得,天理跟人欲根本就不是对立的,它们相生相承,互为繁衍。这些橱窗里的姑娘,我觉得她们简直跟圣母一样美好,全身上下都散发着和荧光内衣一样的的光芒。”操你,普渡慈航” 这有什么可耻的? 我卖大脑,她们卖身,大家都是卖,谁比谁高尚?

不过我很快就发现,来这里的大部分人都跟我们一样,就是来打酱油而已。当时我们正兴致勃勃的走过某个窗台,周围的人群忽然爆发出一阵热烈的掌声,我转头一看,一个年轻的男人正从我旁边的一扇门里走出来,胳膊上还吊着一个粉色比基尼女郎的亲昵的手。他大概完全没有意识到人群忽如其来的掌声,神色有一丝尴尬,但瞬间就变的坦然自如,还对热情的观众们挥了挥手。观众们更满意了,好几个人吹起了口哨。我笑着跟Julie说,你看,这就是阿姆斯特丹,在这里,嫖客被当作凯旋归来的英雄一样欢迎。这说明什么? 这说明荷兰简直就是理想国!

第二天,我们在街上闲逛,忽然意识到一个问题。就是我们俩居然没发现任何Drug Store! 这个太loser了,来之前,我问过许多同事,说起阿姆斯特丹最值得推荐的东西,他们每个都笑嘻嘻的欲言又止,在我再三追问下,他们才说出一个共同的名字: Space cake。是不是听着就觉得特别神奇? Yeah!!! Let me tell ya something, they don’t call it space cake for nothing!! Eat that sh*t and you’ll see how real magic begins!!!!

这一段我不能多写,这么神奇的经历,我打算keep it to myself。总之,第一,如果咖啡店的主人告诉你,”只有当你不再等待的时候,它才会到来” 一定要相信他。第二,这是我这辈子用过的最超值的5镑,我想破脑袋,也想不出5镑能买到什么更美妙的体验。第三,我不知道是因为space cake,还是因为梵高本身就太奇幻,内天下午我在梵高博物馆陷入深度睡眠三次。第一次我感觉我走进了他的画里,就是内棵冬天风雪里的桃花树下,梵高也在那里,我们说了会儿话,空气太冷了,我很快就跟他说再见,跳了出来。第二次,我感到我的身体在不停的下坠,灵魂却不停的上升,象烟花一样一波一波的绽放,而世界如同汹涌的湖水,纷至沓来。第三次,也是最最神奇的一次,我发现周围的一切的正象退潮一样迅速的退去,世界变成无尽的黑暗,而我正以光速向宇宙深处飞行。我看到星云爆炸,象一朵朵怒放的红玫瑰,我看到黑洞无声的潜伏在角落里,把一切物质变成蛇一样细长的原子流,我看到面粉状的银河在暗处发出诡异而艳丽的光。当我醒来,我简直不能相信我又回到了地球,然后我就真正的理解了Avatar的处境。第四,内天晚上我做了一夜的梦,在梦里我叫Space Light,而内个向我父亲(某个堡主)提出要娶我的勇士叫做Lightening,当时我们的国王正要和他开战,而我的勇士希望娶我回家,并肩作战。我记得我试图说服我爹,举出了母亲年轻时候的例子; 我记得自己内心甜美又笃定,知道这就是我要嫁的人。醒过来我还想了半天,你说为什么space cake带来的幻觉都是你最想看到的情景呢? 还有为什么我叫Space Light呢? 第五,太理智的人就不用尝试了,Julie就没有任何反应,除了在梵高博物馆她也有过一阵昏昏沉沉的感觉外。我们俩开玩笑说,In insurance terms,I subsidized her since I passed out 3 times,so we can call the overall experience live up to our expectation. Yeah,we both are pathetic actuaries.

最后一天,我们去坐了船,在蜘蛛网一样的河道里观看这个城市宁静的一面。遇到了一个很high的船长。我发现阿姆斯特丹人都非常快乐,想想也是,这座满城飘着大麻味的城市,大约每个人神经里快乐的一面都被最大程度的激发了出来,实在没有理由不high。

临走前的最后两小时,阴郁了三天的阿姆斯特丹上空,太阳居然短暂露脸。我跟Julie都惊呆了,眼前这座灰蒙蒙的城市忽然变成了另一个样子。你知道,就象一个一贯散漫,不修边幅的邋遢汉子,有一天忽然收拾一新,西装笔挺的出现在你面前,胸前的口袋里还插着一朵带着露水的玫瑰花,你不由倒吸一口气,不能相信同一个人居然能同时拥有这样迥异的两种气质。阳光下的阿姆斯特丹,实在是,清新浪漫的不象话呀,哪里还有半点我初见他时粗糙坚硬的气质?

无论是哪种气质的阿姆斯特丹,我都非常开心我跟Julie一起来过这里,做了一些我们很多年前就应该做过的疯狂的事儿。虽然,猪丽猪,下次你定宾馆不要定内种浴室是透明的就更好了。

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  1. #1 by Sabretooth on April 1, 2010 - 00:03

    The cake’s got mushroom in it! Space Light因为星光印月。

  2. #2 by MiaoVision on April 1, 2010 - 00:38

    说得我也向往了……

  3. #3 by Scarlet on April 1, 2010 - 00:46

    以前不觉得,今儿怎么发现你像叶倩文。

  4. #4 by Xi Nan on April 1, 2010 - 00:49

    阿阿阿阿阿……好色情呀~~~~~~~~~~

  5. #5 by Joe on April 1, 2010 - 00:57

    全文第1段开场非常生猛。。。看完第2段我彻底的服了,再往下看居然还有magic stuff。。。O_O 太强大了

  6. #6 by on April 1, 2010 - 01:09

    我看到了天堂的方向,我朝着那个方向膜拜仰望!阿姆斯特丹。

  7. #7 by Hermans on April 1, 2010 - 01:32

    天堂啊!我卖大脑 她们卖身 大家都是卖 谁比谁高尚? 我也常这么想.其实还是卖身更直接.

  8. #8 by Carrie on April 1, 2010 - 02:34

    照片我都狠喜欢!!!

  9. #9 by christinaღஐﻬღღﻬღ菩提子ﻬღღ on April 1, 2010 - 02:42

    额 不小心路过 其实古之诗经就说 窈窕淑女 君子好逑。。。。西方的教育学里教育孩子性代表爱 代表责任 而不仅仅是欲望 佛也给凡人每人命定的姻缘 可以结婚生子 而不是像现代的同性恋 逛窑子去沉沦人性中的自尊 自爱和道德情操等等 其实我觉得这样的性很肮脏。。。。。性应该是相爱的人有了一生的约定才能进行的 而不是金钱的交易 脑袋的脑力是工作 出卖学到的知识是养活自己 是阳光下进行的 这不能和出卖身体的行为相比较 如果一个人沉沦欲望 那么心灵将陷入无尽的黑暗 地狱万万年的牢房等着沉沦的人们呢 我不认为朱熹是代表中国精深博大的道学 能代表道学的 老子是很有资格的 小姑娘 工作累了可以听听轻音乐 跳跳肚皮舞 练练瑜珈 这两者都是最接近神灵的。。。。。让你的心保持美好就是在阳光快乐中生活 去看世界美好的事物。。。。。。愿你心底深处美丽善良的心灵给我们更多的启示。。。。。。

  10. #10 by 老虎 on April 1, 2010 - 04:05

    “有七八个男人走过来对我说 你真漂亮 祝你玩的开心” 要是有那么多人走过来的话 那说明月姑娘真的很漂亮了

  11. #11 by 老虎 on April 1, 2010 - 04:14

    原来你们跑去体验drug了~善哉 佛与魔仅一线之隔人间道里的普渡慈航 便是披着金光的恶魔你看到的 未必不是地狱的景象~

  12. #12 by on April 1, 2010 - 07:21

    对Space Cake心怀敬仰。。。有朋友马上就要去,得跟她推荐一下。

  13. #13 by 小一 on April 1, 2010 - 07:50

    我也要和你一起住浴室是透明的宾馆 挖哈哈

  14. #14 by Yi on April 1, 2010 - 09:57

    我覺得你看的東西都是這么美 這么的有意思!因為你有雙獨特的眼睛!!為啥當時我就沒去抽抽大麻?太浪費機會啦!祝好

  15. #15 by 我不能熬夜 on April 1, 2010 - 10:16

    i’m loving it~Cool~

  16. #16 by 老虎 on April 1, 2010 - 11:39

    楼下“我也要和你一起住浴室是透明的宾馆 挖哈哈”国内到处都是这样的宾馆……如家就有

  17. #17 by leng on April 1, 2010 - 11:42

    喜欢阻街女,至少想法直接

  18. #18 by on April 1, 2010 - 11:48

    桃色之旅。姑娘怀着无限的向往去了心目中的圣地,相信这也是大多数人的梦想。哈哈!^_^

  19. #19 by l on April 1, 2010 - 13:47

    昨天匆匆看了图,今天细细品味一下文字,还是文字比较有看头。我最欣赏你的也就在这个勇字,fearless is a virtue!

  20. #20 by Ava on April 1, 2010 - 14:59

    红灯。绿灯。 小白灯。

  21. #21 by Cindy on April 1, 2010 - 15:18

    看到18+我毫不犹豫的点进来了…………….哈哈哈

  22. #22 by on April 1, 2010 - 19:58

    @ly:Apparently we got similar taste.. good for you : )I’ll give u a hint here, that ass is like THE most expensive ass on earth, get it?

  23. #23 by on April 1, 2010 - 20:01

    @Scarlet:看来我真的是废了 叶倩文 那是阿姨啊。。。

  24. #24 by on April 1, 2010 - 20:39

    @Christina:朱熹是理学家 他这种假仁假义 沽名钓誉 一心只想当孔子第二的人 怎么可能跟道学沾边儿?老子是道家的创始人 所以他不是“有资格代表道学” 他就是道学。。而我最鄙视的 是伪“道德”家 就是内种满嘴仁义道德 却流毒最广害人最多的人。。这些人跟道家一毛钱关系都没有啊 怎么能扯到一起?对我来说 道家是我最亲近的哲学体系 是我整个人生观和价值观的基础 改用周瘦鹃先生的话说 我“一生低首唯庄周”至于别的 我向来觉得 “参差不齐 乃幸福本源” 各人怎么心安 就怎么活就好了。。我受过洗礼 是基督教徒 我也挺喜欢我想像中的基督。。但我真的不喜欢用上天堂 下地狱这种说法来警告世人这不是赤裸裸的威胁么?天赋人权 为什么一定要用一种标准去约束所有的人?就象同性恋 他们又没伤害别人 看不顺眼别看就好了 就好比你不吃巧克力 别人吃 别人就是邪恶?这个太没天理了

  25. #25 by on April 2, 2010 - 08:12

    国家不容易,人民更不容易。楼越盖越高,相比之下,人越来越小。祝福世博会成功吧!但愿以后再也不要有地震后的奥运和大旱后的世博会。愿国泰民安,事事吉祥!

  26. #26 by Chen on April 2, 2010 - 10:08

    月月 我就知道你会玩的很开心 你跟Julie都压力太大了 需要好好轻松一下hash coffee喝了没有?我觉得比space cake更强劲

  27. #27 by Chen on April 2, 2010 - 10:10

    “ 不能相信同一个人居然能同时拥有这样迥异的两种气质”看到这句 我想起的第一个人就是你 呵呵 但你身上迥异的气质好像不止两种 起码有三种吧

  28. #28 by on April 2, 2010 - 10:55

    @Beya:Easter我有别的计划 嘿嘿 @毛:没问题 就是大老龟怎么办呢?;)

  29. #29 by on April 3, 2010 - 06:09

    我也对space cake很有兴趣了!!!

  30. #30 by on April 3, 2010 - 22:04

    @对space cake感兴趣的同学们:走过路过不要错过!!一辈子能有几次去太空飞行? :DDD

  31. #31 by lixia on April 4, 2010 - 00:36

    感想1: 阿姆斯特丹我去过4遍, 所有照片加起来也没有你的这些图片迷人.感想2: 印月姑娘是真的很漂亮我第一次去是和我对象一起的, 晚上吃了樱桃蛋糕,抽了几支joint后还互相鼓励说怎么一点感觉都没有,我们也太厉害了吧. 第2天醒来发现我俩睡在田里, 鞋子上沾满了牛粪, 到公共汽车站才发现我们居然在Volendam! 谁也想不起来到底是怎么来的……

  32. #32 by on April 4, 2010 - 00:59

    @lixia:你们是强人!几支joint? 那必定是很烈了 我们才一人一小片蛋糕。。然后你们的情节简直跟内电影Hangover一样 膜拜啊!我跟Julie开头俩小时也在不停的相互问:你有感觉了么?然后一直都是没有 还以为我们被涮了 后悔当时没再喝杯hash coffee。。结果后来我完全没再等着的时候 一下子就给hit了。。。

  33. #33 by 猫时间 on April 4, 2010 - 03:06

    1)荷兰是个理想国,充分说明了性问题绝对不能一堵了之2)印月姑娘的漂亮,到哪里都是发光体3)印月姑娘的智慧,到哪里都不会迷失呵呵呵~~~

  34. #34 by on April 4, 2010 - 08:56

    写的好 月姑娘直率的真可爱 一点也不象那些扭捏作态的小女子

  35. #35 by on April 4, 2010 - 08:58

    你到哪都能拍这么美的照片 写这么有趣的文字 我也膜拜你 !!!

  36. #36 by Chen on April 4, 2010 - 09:06

    月月 你绝对是老外眼里的美女 我一点都不意外虽然不是东方式的脸蛋 但老外最看重的是身材 你身材又辣么好 hoho

  37. #37 by Z on April 4, 2010 - 12:20

    看到你写朱熹老夫子的那段,喷了~~~上次和大学同学去荷兰,还是没敢吃,看到你的感觉,倒是希望下次有机会去试试了,呵呵

  38. #38 by Beya on April 4, 2010 - 13:06

    lixia: 膜拜!!! amazingly you were still together.

  39. #39 by on April 4, 2010 - 14:52

    @Beya:someone who smokes weed with you — that sounds exactly a soulmate to me : )

  40. #40 by Beya on April 5, 2010 - 00:54

    oops.. i think i didn’t make myself clear. i meant to say to lixia: amazingly you were still together after passing out…..

  41. #41 by 老虎 on April 6, 2010 - 02:34

    月姑娘,“就象同性恋 他们又没伤害别人 看不顺眼别看就好了” ——此话不对就像人兽交一样,又没伤害我们,看不顺眼别看好了,为啥奥地利要对其判刑?就像伊朗迫害教徒一样,又没伤害我们,看不顺眼别看好了,制裁个龟毛?道德这种东西,是有底线的……天赋人权的问题,白人们有个绝妙的解释:“我出手的自由不能导致别人的鼻子开花”。用到道德上就是,“我为人的自由不能导致社会有潜在解体的倾向”。

  42. #42 by on April 6, 2010 - 03:48

    任何事用强迫或暴力的手段,结果多适得其反。伊朗迫害教徒,是应该被制裁。但是把同性恋等同人兽交,就像无限上纲上线一样。道德这种东西,就像旱灾儿童喝不到水,作协却可以在灾区住豪房,吃豪宴,谁来制裁?朱门酒肉臭,路有冻死骨。有什么天赋人权?这么多人的自由,要全国人民买单,也不见这个社会有解体的倾向。起码同性恋没有用到别人的钱,不需要全国人买单,伤害小很多,不会导致贫富差距愈拉愈大。

  43. #43 by 老虎 on April 6, 2010 - 04:25

    世緯:没发觉你所说关于贫富差距的论点对论证同性恋是否合理合法有任何帮助……我推荐,如果你想找个有力的类比论据,不妨用“不伦又没伤害别人”。

  44. #44 by christinaღஐﻬღღﻬღ菩提子ﻬღღ on April 6, 2010 - 04:25

    大家可以一起讨论嘛 呵呵 楼下的 世緯 同性恋对我们的孩子教育会形成不好的影响。。。人家会说别的国家同性恋合法 为什么我们不合法?久而久之,同性恋人群增多,社会危害就大了,这比毒奶粉危害更大。。。毒奶粉可以通过手段和制度管制可以杜绝,但是同性恋是思想,而思想是很难转变的。。。当同性恋形成一种风气和时尚的时候危害更大。。。。。同性恋已经越过道德的范畴,还谈什么哲学,违背了天道循环。。。。地为坤,乾为天,乾坤交感有阴阳,阴阳结合有男女。。。。。。。。天道循环顺其自然的四季轮回,同性恋改变了这天道自然的现象。。。。。。。已经不在道中,为何你们要支持和同意同性恋?

  45. #45 by Beya on April 6, 2010 - 05:43

    楼下的很恐怖。。。1。为什么同性恋会对社会有危害?2。为什么认同国家/政府控制思想?不得不感慨爬梯洗脑之成功。

  46. #46 by Beya on April 6, 2010 - 05:54

    老虎:道德这种东西,是有底线的…… 同意。不过这个世界本身就是主观的,每个人的道德底线标准不一。我的道德底线允许同性恋的存在,你的不允许。何必用你认为的“不对”来辩驳我的“对”呢。比如,不是所有的问题都需要一个是或者否的对立答案。认真你就输了。

  47. #47 by 虎虎 on April 6, 2010 - 07:20

    道德是由全社会私下制造的一项默认的约束力,是法律之外作为补充的强制力,是法律成熟告示前的社会基石。反映在明文的约束,则为法律;反映在密文的约束,则为道德。游离在法律之外,人类社会允许每个人的底线不同(有人喜欢乱扔垃圾,有人喜欢xx老母),但事实上作为统计意义的群体平均底线相近(例如禁止污染、禁止不伦等),即使社会平均底线是离散无序的,但该离散可被近似为连续函数,其专制集中的一面则体现为偶函数y轴对称最大值,也就是“真正的底线”。若底线皆无,则社会不称为社会,国家不称为国家,芸芸民众皆化为畜生爬行于地。若同性恋能够突破这种底线,则证明最大值的民众赞成同性恋,则伦理紊乱,拉拉和多利羊皆可横行于星球,长此以往,男女难免退化为中性人,人类生殖数量锐减,社会越发腐败堕落。试问,此结果是楼下们愿意看到的吗?

  48. #48 by on April 6, 2010 - 10:55

    @老虎:今儿怎么这么严肃?地球上人太多啦 少些有繁殖能力的Couple也挺好的。。。我没觉得同行恋会导致"伦理紊乱 腐败堕落"啊 不就是选个自己的伴侣么?同性 异性 不都是人?你压制他们的天性和权利 才有可能把这一部分人逼向极端 造成社会动荡 。。况且我觉得你太杞人忧天啦 大部分人还是直的 不见得因为同性恋被合法化了 大家就都要去当不男不女的中性人 。。不如自然宽容的对待吧 。。我认识不少Gay 他们都是好人 跟我们没有两样。。为什么我们要把他们视作异端?不当作兄弟姐妹?

  49. #49 by David on April 6, 2010 - 12:14

    宾馆浴室是透明的??! niiice

  50. #50 by 老虎 on April 6, 2010 - 12:45

    怎么说呢,你是从好人还是坏人来区分,而我从种族的角度来看问题……所谓优生优育不是坏事。希特勒之所以被唾骂,那是因为他执行得太极端了……

  51. #51 by l on April 6, 2010 - 16:30

    看大家对同性恋兴趣高涨,我简单说两句。同和异,在我看来应该更倾向于心理的,而非身体的,但凡心里的阴阳相吸,真情真性,也就不必过分苟刻于身体的异同。毕竟身体性别不是自己可以选择的,但是心里的性别倾向,我觉得还是可以给予这份选择的自由的。

  52. #52 by Joe on April 6, 2010 - 19:08

    what?以上帝之名,同性恋是不允许存在的,就是错的

  53. #53 by on April 6, 2010 - 20:38

    难怪萨特说:他人就是地狱。我想我终于懂了

  54. #54 by Sabretooth on April 6, 2010 - 23:16

    同性恋对社会有害的证据在哪里?请不要再用19世纪思维来思考问题了,请阅读wiki词条"Biology and sexual orientation". The now longstanding consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality per se is an example of normal and positive variation in human sexual orientation.[American Psychological Association: Resolution on Appropriate Affirmative Responses to Sexual Orientation Distress and Change Efforts]

  55. #55 by Sabretooth on April 6, 2010 - 23:17

    人越多越好吗?中国人居然对这个问题到今天还有质疑? Copenhagen应该讨论的第一问题就该是人口问题。人口问题解决了,环境、资源等问题自然迎刃而解。去年中国出的人权报告第一段说得很好,生存权才是最大的人权。像印度这样的民主政府让人把孩子一打打生出来却眼看他们饿死,这算是哪门子道德? 中国自古以纲常伦理道德治天下?风气有更好吗?人性有更淳朴吗?相忘于江湖。你只要管好自己的屁股,别的事儿,还是交给民主与法制去操心吧!很喜欢Harvey Milk说的,You have to give them hope. And Obama said, "Hope, we can."

  56. #56 by Beya on April 7, 2010 - 00:26

    同性恋跟优生优育有毛关系阿?同性恋跟人兽交,异教徒怎么类比阿?同性恋是两个人自愿建立长期或者短暂的relationship,跟你我异性恋者有何不同?你想强制性地fuck一只山羊,人山羊点头了么?人类早已恶行累累,自取灭亡迟早的事情,何必假同性恋之手?您也大可不必担心同性恋会阻止所谓优生优育的步伐,谁又比谁更贱?(别比高尚了比贱都在行)

  57. #57 by 右手食指有个斗 on April 7, 2010 - 01:18

    那个麦当劳的,太有想法了

  58. #58 by 老虎 on April 7, 2010 - 01:34

    beya,你认为自然创造两性是因为什么?两性相吸是为了什么?而同性恋intercourse的目的又是为了什么???

  59. #59 by Beya on April 7, 2010 - 01:49

    intercourse的目的???哈哈成年人都知道吧?别告诉我你把繁衍后代当作唯一目的。

  60. #60 by christinaღஐﻬღღﻬღ菩提子ﻬღღ on April 7, 2010 - 03:00

    TO 印月小朋友萨特说:他人就是地狱。错,地狱在于您的心念,别人的行为是错位的违背了天道,您还认为是正确的,这就是地狱,同性恋已经违人理伦常,违背了天道,这就是人间地狱!妖孽横生,人间炼狱。。。。“古之圣人都倡导做人有担当,儒学的仲尼倡导学有所成用雅乐教化于民,学成要效之于民,现在的人在大环境下自私自利也是社会很多原因造成的,但是即使在差的环境也要守护自己纯洁的心灵。”同性恋的行为当然是不纯洁和纯净的,违背了天道,如果默许和同意和支持这些行为,我们老子可是不同意同性恋也是道哦!同性恋也是社会腐败和文化退化以及媒体负面宣传导致更多的同性恋人群,这些同性恋人也很可怜,更可怜的人他们认为自己的行为是正确的 。。。。。。

  61. #61 by Alanis on April 7, 2010 - 04:55

    To Christina:All the homophobic ppl should get to know gays before judging them with rosy colour glasses! I dare say I am glad I am a fag hag, and I believe every gal needs a token gay friend as Carrie. One of my best buddies is gay, he combines all the qualities I want on a boy fiend, caring, understanding ,hot, smart, good fashion sense blah blah blah, well apart from he f$$ks men I guess. Plus, Gays don’t get to choose their sexuality; they are born same as heterosexual, and god don’t create any species for no reason. Ur common is like saying ugly ppl shouldn’t exist coz they past on the unfortunate genes, and how dare u????

  62. #62 by 老虎 on April 7, 2010 - 06:01

    Beya:我想这个话题在月美女的地盘上说已经不太合适,私下讨论吧!:) 至于homo,我的态度是敬鬼神而远之,我不会故意去灭绝他们,但我绝对不会鼓励他们的存在乃至赞成立法。在这里的人都是hetero,是占绝大多数的人类的一员,是符合自然法则产生的高等生物,而homo是自然错误的产物,就跟三条腿、两个头的人一样,born defect。存在虽合理,但不代表正确,我们不去歧视不代表不能纠正。You definitely do not want your husband to fk a man’s asshole…You cannot represent for ‘them’. So please stand with me. 此话题就此over。楼下alanis,christ ina以及其他童子你们继续argue……

  63. #63 by Ying on April 7, 2010 - 10:00

    看见好多熟悉的橱窗,当年路过也拍了不少。立即就有:啊,这家店还在啊,的亲切感。

  64. #64 by on April 7, 2010 - 11:57

    "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"I believe this is the most beautiful sentence in English language. And it’s my faith when it comes to any question regarding human’s unalienable rights

  65. #65 by WeiTe on April 7, 2010 - 13:08

    最戏剧的场景是红灯区不远处的一个教堂前的广场上的游乐场,到了晚上音乐震天响,很多刺激的娱乐项目就在教堂前上演,配上周围从红灯区进进出出的喧闹人群,一切都很虚幻。

  66. #66 by Joe on April 7, 2010 - 19:37

    以上帝之名,使徒会消灭那些不正当的存在的;上次在地铁里看到2个同性恋瘪三,要是有M9 pistol的话,早把他们结果了;

  67. #67 by Chen on April 7, 2010 - 19:58

    我seriously被惊到了

  68. #68 by Chen on April 7, 2010 - 20:00

    人跟人 认知的鸿沟 真是深不见底啊纳粹也是这么着想灭了犹太人吧

  69. #69 by Chen on April 7, 2010 - 20:04

    月月 别太劳神 我觉得辩论是天下最无意义的事 说到底 人是不可能被三言两语改变的每个人经历不同 智力不同 胸怀不同 所以对世界的认识也必不同我跟你站在一起

  70. #70 by Yu on April 7, 2010 - 21:11

    It’s sh*t to be a homo, because he get so much reprehension just for choosing someone that people normally dont wanna or unable to fu*k. Come on boys/girls, he own his dick, and he has the right to choose which hole he want to put it into, right?All the preachers who say "blah blah blah" all day just so in the need of going see the banana trees cos they really need to get some feeling about what shape a dick is!!

  71. #71 by on April 7, 2010 - 21:25

    @Jason:哈哈哈 大师你太nb了 come on enlighten me sing the song!!!

  72. #72 by on April 7, 2010 - 21:27

    @Chen:我不劳神啊 我只觉得好笑 再过几十年 等我们的孩子都长大了 大家再看吧。。有时候想想 人和人之间的傲慢与偏见能达到什么样的程度 就觉得造物主真是seriously amazing我不喜欢辩论 大部分时候我都懒得说话 反正我无意于改变谁 也不可能被谁改变1984里的内句话:war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength概括了我想说的所有废话 : )

  73. #73 by MiaoVision on April 7, 2010 - 22:52

    战争即和平自由即奴役无知即力量还有所谓的真理部,友爱部,和平部

  74. #74 by Joe on April 7, 2010 - 23:10

    War is Hell —- William T. Sherman

  75. #75 by Joe on April 7, 2010 - 23:15

    最后总结一下结束这个争论算了 : )We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.—– Abraham Lincoln

  76. #76 by christinaღஐﻬღღﻬღ菩提子ﻬღღ on April 8, 2010 - 01:03

    一念一清净,心是莲花开。。。。。。。世间万物背离天道,自有报应,我辈又何须着急呢。。。但是这同性恋在中国绝对不会合法,但是我们也不会发动战争去剿灭他们。。。。。。。。他们的存在是为了证明文明的退步,以及社会的负面影响,以及家庭教育失败。。。月月你为什么不是同性恋呢?因为你是正常人,你在正常的家庭中长大,那么那些同性恋的人怎么造成的呢?这难道不值得全人类去进行反思吗?善哉,善哉,阿弥驼佛。。。。。。

  77. #77 by Beya on April 8, 2010 - 01:04

    惊喜惊喜!正在读1984。内个菩提老祖:您又基督又佛祖又儒又道的。您已经站在一个道德制高点上俯瞰众生了,恭喜!我从您的口气听来,您根本不需要辩论,您需要的是别人的认错,因为您张口就是“错错错!”佛家要戒嗔,哥林多前书教人“凡事包容”,您还得继续修炼。 老虎:既然你指名于我,就不要单方面结束谈话(和你的谈话是交流不是辩论因为你是朋友)。1。首先谢谢长篇大论地阐述了你自己对同性恋的看法。我一早就说了,这个世界标准不一,所以别忙着对人对事胡乱贴上对错标签。至于你一再强调的所谓主流(“多数人”)认同,历史上有举不胜举的例子告诉我们:主流不代表真理!2。关于“stand with me” –- 我靠,一定要分阵营么,一定要站在一边,或者对立两边么?不同的人一定要观点一致么?或者,站在一起就是朋友了么?对立面的就是敌人么?朋友之间不能存异?敌人间不能求同?如果有谁非要我站什么狗屁立场,all I can say is “Screw you all!!!!!!”3. About my husband – Unfortunately, your assumption is totally illogical 。Let me tell you why. I would not marry a gay, or a gay would not marry me, then this gay CAN NOT be my husband. If my husband turns into a gay, then he will no longer be my husband, he would be called ex. Thus, my husband MUST NOT a gay. And I am pretty sure about this than anyone else. So here is my assumption (don’t blame me, you started) that you are actually working on turning your wife a lesbian, coz having 2 women at the same time is every man’s fantasy.

  78. #78 by 老虎 on April 8, 2010 - 02:26

    Dear Beya, first of all thank you for forcefully dragging me out from the ‘tomb’… OK, here is the ‘communication’ again, friend to friend. 1) For sure, in history, majority MAY not be representing right side, however there are also numerous and outnumbered examples that majorities ARE RIGHT. Who can judge which side has the truth, the majority or the minority? Some people say ‘God’, others use voting to set up law and moral. Either way homo is not acceptable. And when you say different standards, could the diversity be abused? Does voting for homo prove that one society has the democracy? Does a society which eliminated homo have no democracy? 2) 3) My apology to you for putting private issues in. Sorry about that. However my assumption is not illogical. It could happen. Because you know there is not only homo but also bi, and, any husband could be a bi about which a wife definitely does not know, or even he does not know at all. So which one is worse, having a gay/bi husband, or a husband with 2+ women? I guess neither is acceptable to a normal wife. Remember, we vote our modern societies being formed by family which consists of one husband and one wife (and their naturally born children). If you want to vote for homo society, there is nothing I can say here. Why I want you to stand with me, because my opinion is you surely can show your compassion on homo/bi, for their diversity of human beings, however you must not teach other people that homo/bi is respectable, elegant or acceptable. Homos are addicted in such thing (like drugs to addict’s nerves), that we must guide all other people not to, especially when it involves ass thing… the more important thing is it is not only about the moral, but also about sanitary. In a word, I know we SHOULD RESPECT HOMO’s BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS, however toleration does not necessarily mean that we should encourage or allow it. We will try to convert them. The final questions are, why do you want to stand up for homo? What is your thought? Why do you think you can speak for them while you are totally not a part of them, and without knowing the sweet and bitter of homo? What is the motivation? What if your relative is a homo and try to get your husband then you get jealous? What is the point when you find your favorite child is a homo? Will you or your parents be upset when you cannot have consanguinity grand children? Forget about Brokeback Mountain and Leslie Cheung. Homo is not an elegant movie fashion. Please don’t be 叶公好龙 anyway.

  79. #79 by christinaღஐﻬღღﻬღ菩提子ﻬღღ on April 8, 2010 - 04:36

    TO 老虎 你的英文好好哦,教教我嘛,我英语烂的很。。。TO: WBea 小朋友,凡事相信,凡事盼望,爱永不止息,这是圣经说的,圣经也是提倡男女在教堂结婚的人间正爱,而不是2个女人或者2个男人结婚。。。。。。凡事包容是正所犯下的错误,如果这些同性恋人不同性恋了我想大家都包容的,好了,该说的已经说了,这话题我以后不参加讨论,你们继续,本姑娘要出差了,^_^

  80. #80 by Beya on April 8, 2010 - 05:27

    Tiger: 1. I won’t discuss with you about “RIGHT” or “WRONG” questions any more, as we are doing circles here. I don’t think homosexuality is a RIGHT or WRONG issue. They are just different from us. I accept and respect this difference, while you seem to be too busy labeling them before even knowing anyone of them?“Who can judge which side has the truth?” – No one! Even the history was written by victors! That’s why NEVER be judgmental! “Could the diversity be abused?” – Well, in this case, you guys are the abusive people, and yourself admit you are “abusing” it? “Does voting for homo prove that one society has the democracy? Does a society which eliminated homo have no democracy?” – No and No. Can I ask what’s the point for you to ask these 2 questions? Are they anything to do with our discussion? They are my personal opinions. I don’t give a shit what so-called society says. 2. I reckon you are a potential gay, like you said, “even yourself doesn’t know”. If not, why do you keep mentioning my husband (after apologizing) and create a hypothetical relative to be his secret lover, or don’t you want to be that one? ;-)I do teach my students that diversity is one of the most beautiful things in the world, which makes our life more interesting. My students are from different family background. To demonstrate and educate how to appreciate differences is the key curriculum in immigration countries. One kid at my placement, for your information, is from a lesbian family. She has 2 mums. She was not discriminated or “abused”. Neither were her mums. Thanks to the non-judgmental community! BTW, I don’t believe there is such thing called bi. They are either too greedy or too freaky out to make the decision. I know there are some teenagers who think homo is cool or fashionable. That’s understandable. We were all used to be young and silly. Some of those dickheads will grow up and know what they want, and the rest of them can go to jail. Don’t you worry about it! To those real gays, please leave them alone!!!! It is their own choice!I am not standing up for anyone! I represent myself. I am neither pro nor anti homosexuality. Whether or not people are homosexual is the last thing that I consider to make friends with. My best friend is gay. My ex house mate is gay. We double date all the time. I know they are living in an awkward situation and they are so scared of coming out because of bias and prejudice. I don’t care if my children are homosexual or not, frankly, as soon as they are happy deep down. I would be happy for them. Talking about my motivation, I guess it would be GETTING RID OF ALL SHABILITIES.

  81. #81 by 老虎 on April 8, 2010 - 07:05

    :: “Who can judge which side has the truth?” – No one! Even the history was written by victors! That’s why NEVER be judgmental! ::>> NO, I don’t think so. Truth is judged by majorities over history. If not, then it is not truth. You know the axiom’s definition? Its truth is taken for granted and serves as a starting point for deducing and inferring other theory dependent truths. In this case, majorities over history (not the human beings who won the surviving) tell you which is the axiom and its truth nature. :: “Could the diversity be abused?” – Well, in this case, you guys are the abusive people, and yourself admit you are “abusing” it? ::>> The diversity OF STANDARD could not be abused. There is only one standard for marriage. Even Romes prohibited the same sex marriage. Quote from Wiki, "While it is a relatively new practice that same-sex couples are being granted the same form of legal marital recognition as commonly used by mixed-sex couples, recent publicity and debate over the past decade gives an impression that civil marriage for lesbian and gay couples is novel and untested. " (I am going to ignore a lot of point 2 and jump to the summary part):: I am not standing up for anyone! I represent myself. I am neither pro nor anti homosexuality. ::So you are at my side. That is enough :-) :: Whether or not people are homosexual is the last thing that I consider to make friends with. ::BTW: I don’t want to make any friend with any gay because I was harassed twice when I was in MEL. It was fking disgusting. I don’t want to make any friend with any les because they are also disgusting (left used senitary napkins and plastic dick everywhere)….And, the last thing you should care about is to get rid of stupidity (Shability? ROFL!!!!)

  82. #82 by l on April 8, 2010 - 13:23

    lol, its actually quite fun watching ppl arguing, reasoning, to see their logics, their believes, their world views. BUT, please keep in mind that you can say wutever you want about wut urself(ie. believes, opinions). Please do not make any form of personal attacks or assumptions to others or others families. coz first it doesnt help strengthen your argument, second it just make you look bad as a person. so please lets just keep the discussion more harmonious.

  83. #83 by Jian on April 8, 2010 - 14:09

    apparently, beya is not on your side, tiger beya is neutral,and you are homophobia. you said you had been sexuarl harrassed by gay guys, and that is disgusting. I couldn’t agree with you more, but is not it the same if a girl get harrassed by a hextro guy, disgusting too.to sum up, any harrasment is disgusting, not only from gay guys. it is a bit narrow-minded . to be honest, your little whingng is a bit like a typical gay guy.

  84. #84 by Unknown on April 8, 2010 - 14:42

    怎么连基督徒也来凑热闹?最讨厌那些虚伪的基督徒了,成天抗着道德大旗骂这个骂那个,背地里一肚子男盗女娼。根据调查显示,基督徒里面的性变态的比例远远高于正常人群,拥有最高比例的恋童癖。都是那本叫耶经的破书毒害的。

  85. #85 by on April 8, 2010 - 17:42

    我倒 大家不要人身攻击好吧 我忍这么辛苦 也没说一句脏话 。。个别同学 以后记得不要到处给大家当老师了 人都把你当笑话看呢。昨晚我回来看大家的争论 想到一句话:你不说话 没人把你当傻B。。。老虎等顽固派同学 你们有反感同性恋的权利 但不要叫嚣到让正常人反感你们的地步就好了 。爱谁谁 反正社会最后会朝它该奔的方向奔去 Beya 我就知道你跟我想的一样。我儿子要是将来跑来跟我说 他是Gay 我也会坦然接受。要是他继承了我的时尚天份他还可以去当设计师 你看人Marc Jacobs不是风光的紧么 : )

  86. #86 by Joe on April 8, 2010 - 18:56

    推荐wipe out 派,中立派,支持派哪天去canary wharf All Bar one喝酒单挑吧

  87. #87 by 莱茵小镇 on April 8, 2010 - 19:15

    好热闹

  88. #88 by 老虎 on April 9, 2010 - 02:10

    keanezhao you are 老赵 aren’t you? I couldn’t believe you abused me twice. Do you really need me to tell everybody you are a gay?And, "to sum up, any harrasment is disgusting"No, I don’t think if most normal men are harassed by a pretty girl will they feel disgusting.

  89. #89 by on April 9, 2010 - 04:12

    偶也要试space cake,向往很久了,怨念啊,还没去荷兰,只在阿姆斯特丹转过机。

  90. #90 by Qiujun on April 9, 2010 - 17:21

    从Miao那边链过来,鼠标一滚就看到一穿黄色衣服朝天傻笑的小姑娘超级眼熟,再往下滚,我确定这一定是熟人,再回眼看标题,果然是Julie…世界真是小~我和她在RSA一起做过实习:)对了,阿姆斯特丹卖大麻的店叫做coffee shop哦。。。如果光是coffee就是喝咖啡的,加了个shop就是卖大麻的啦。。当年导游姐姐说的。。

  91. #91 by Qiujun on April 9, 2010 - 17:22

    刚才又看到了joe swell,真是到处是熟人啊。。。难道这里其实是精算集散地么:P

  92. #92 by Joe on April 9, 2010 - 19:46

    咦?饺子夫人也认识myra?,唉,精算的世界真小啊

  93. #93 by on April 9, 2010 - 21:21

    @Qiujun:没错 Julie是在RSA实习过 你也做精算?

  94. #94 by Joe on April 9, 2010 - 21:33

    @myraQiujun应该是和你做差不多板块的,不过可能GI里面偏向稍有不同

  95. #95 by Qiujun on April 9, 2010 - 22:58

    恩,我在一个syndicate做精算,不过在rsa的时候是小破statistician。这次考ct2,4,5,我的路还长着呢,平白让我生出一种唐僧上西天取经的感觉。。。你呢~你在哪个公司~~~这次考哪科?

  96. #96 by Jian on April 10, 2010 - 05:48

    hey, tiger. is this "lao zhao" who harrassed you in melbourne? if so, I would be ashamed that some loser have the same family name as me. i suggest you report to police in melbourne instead of his friends.

  97. #97 by Jian on April 10, 2010 - 05:52

    Julie so hot. the eyes are unforgetable. wow,this is the 100th comment.

  98. #98 by on April 10, 2010 - 09:16

    @Keane:Julie’s very hot indeed! 召唤Qx同学围观 :)

  99. #99 by Chen on April 10, 2010 - 23:18

    Myra you are very hot indeed! I dare say you are one of THE Hottest Chinese girls in London; P

  100. #100 by 莱茵小镇 on April 12, 2010 - 22:52

    你吃夜宵可你很瘦啊,我却开始超重

  101. #101 by 勺子 on September 30, 2010 - 10:41

    好性感的P股~

  102. #102 by michaeljwei on March 8, 2012 - 23:31

    已阅 ✔ 优

  103. #103 by 老虎 on September 4, 2012 - 12:21

    It is quite funny that after two years I receive an update notification of this thread…..

    it is also to my surprise that it was me who wrote so many English words….

    anyway, my point is, it costs me 1 yuan to purchase a VPN and see this one..

    • #104 by 印月 on September 5, 2012 - 13:06

      哈哈,老虎好久不见。忆昔Space全盛时啊。。

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